Hi Petko,
I have a question regarding the attachment indexing, is this something going to be in 5.x release or would be in a future major release? It will be very useful, especially PDF indexing to me.
Thanks!
Yu
Question on attachment indexing
I sure hope that in the future all the attached files (pdf, doc, txt, html, odt) will be indexed.
I would appreciate very much to be able to find any text in the attached documents and have the records highlighted in which the searched text is found.
DocFetcher can search thousands of files in no time. However no attributes can be added to the found documents, and that is the nice thing about MyInfo.
If only DocFetcher could search in the records found by MyInfo....
In other words: if the capablities of both programs could be integrated I would be very happy!
I would appreciate very much to be able to find any text in the attached documents and have the records highlighted in which the searched text is found.
DocFetcher can search thousands of files in no time. However no attributes can be added to the found documents, and that is the nice thing about MyInfo.
If only DocFetcher could search in the records found by MyInfo....
In other words: if the capablities of both programs could be integrated I would be very happy!
"I sure hope that in the future all the attached files (pdf, doc, txt, html, odt) will be indexed."
Jan, we are ALL 100 p.c. with you.
And let's face it, Petko has encountered a lot of rather specific demands here lately, with me around, and notwithstanding this being a great chance - that UR people, before him, did not take -, I imagine that's not easy work (including the upcoming cloud version?!) - I hope Petko will find some not TOO expensive third party module he can integrate into MI for this indexing work, indeed it would be a tremendous help for all of us, AND it would greatly enhance its appeal to every would-be-user; for many, this lack is what Daly (if I remember correctly) said regarding other software, a dealbreaker.
Upcoming MI updates will be of the utmost interest.
Jan, we are ALL 100 p.c. with you.
And let's face it, Petko has encountered a lot of rather specific demands here lately, with me around, and notwithstanding this being a great chance - that UR people, before him, did not take -, I imagine that's not easy work (including the upcoming cloud version?!) - I hope Petko will find some not TOO expensive third party module he can integrate into MI for this indexing work, indeed it would be a tremendous help for all of us, AND it would greatly enhance its appeal to every would-be-user; for many, this lack is what Daly (if I remember correctly) said regarding other software, a dealbreaker.
Upcoming MI updates will be of the utmost interest.
Fred,
Thanks very much for your reply.
I thought I was the only one who wanted the obvious.
English is not my native language and I am not a ICT-professional,
but I will try to express the reasons and background for my wishes a.s.a.p.
Jan
Thanks very much for your reply.
I thought I was the only one who wanted the obvious.
English is not my native language and I am not a ICT-professional,
but I will try to express the reasons and background for my wishes a.s.a.p.
Jan
Hi Jan,
I am with MI for not exactly 3 months now, and I do a continuous writing down of all the "faults" MI has, and I am trying to consolidate what should be done, here and there. Most of these are "little things" that ask for 3 hours programming time here, 1 day there, but which, in fact, will bring MI to a higher level of acceptance... since you could then present MI to professionals with telling them, here's a problem without any quirks, it's not amateurish, it's a professional software for professionals' daily work, without ever letting them down.
In 3 months now, I discovered DOZENS of such quirks, but again, doing away with them would just "cost" several months all together, and as soon as a program is really professional, your marketing efforts will pay, whereas all your marketing efforts in the world will not pay if the products stays in a range of dozens of other products that have some advantages here, some disadvantages there, but are never ever really good -
And then, professionals (and journalists) vote with their feet!
Instead of going into lenghty discussions (here or elsewhere), they just do not buy, and stick with MS Word or other inferior things but that everybody around there has been using since they have been a kid.
Indeed, there are some developers out there who just won't learn; some days ago, I wrote a rather short contribution to that almost-defunct forum at askSam's, a truly tremendous program in old Dos days, and which is not recommendable any more... for reasons I state in my postings there.
Other programs, like UR, could be improved, but in fact, they ain't - years and years of goings on and on, and nothing really good is being done, concerning the GUI, and it's the GUI that makes people vote with their feet, not buying, just staying away.
Other people are endlessly discussing advantages and disadvantages of various programs, but not in a constructive way. In fact, they go from flower to flower, just like bees, and no developer can count on them for staying with him if he is willing to hear what they say... and then, they say this today, something other another day...
What I am trying here is what I've tried with askSam in the past (and to no avail there but then, askSam is askSam, MI is MI): To give VALUABLE hints to the developer how to optimize his program, in order to make it MARKETABLE to professionals, in that way that he can say, MI does these things, in this way, in a perfect workflow... and SHOWING them how to do.
There are a lot of pc mags throughout Europe; with the right presentation, a lot of them would do some articles about MI... and given MI is as good as I wan it to be, without too much "cost" - some months of working on it.
And again, I promise to help with that, if calls cost me several days, no problem whatsoever, and I am not interested in any "commission" or something - it's the ONLY way to have a real good program (without programming by yourself that is), and I would be delighted to pay that "price" for it.
So almost all of what I am proposing in these postings, can be done within little time; whereas other things cannot be done in a simple manner, and for these things, third-party extensions might be the (not-so-cheap) solution sometimes, and attachment indexing is one of those, I'm afraid.
But then, it's, as you say, obvious that it is "needed", greatly helpful indeed, and what you say, beginning to think you are the only one to...
well, that's exactly what is going on in the whole business. People buy or buy not - most of them buy not -, and those who have bought, then do with whatever they got, with some exceptions by some people (cf. hoisting, and see how many people are wanting it here, 2, 3, 5?).
And this way, developers do normally NOT into account the enormous amount of people just voting with their feet - yes, I say it for the third time here, but it cannot be said enough - they simply BUY NOT, or THEY LEAVE, for some "better" program in the sense of it giving them hoisting or whatever, and for this advantage those people give away 50 other things that they do NOT encounter THERE...
and WITHOUT doing a LIST of those 50 things that would they like to have there... and 2 years later, they go to a third, a fourth program...
and all those outliners out there share market between themselves that is perhaps 2 p.c. of the text processing market... or 1,8 p.c. of that... or 0,8 p.c. of that.
So I think that doing all those little things for ONE program will propulse that single program into quite another sphere... in which buying third-party additions will be easy, from then on...
I would like to add that for my "presentation thing" there, I have some very specific ideas. Contacting specialised journalists by phone and by letter and then by phone again; sending them MI Prof - the usb stick version - together with some open "projects" - with that usb stick version, that is possible!
They would open not a bare program in which they would not know what to do and what to try out first - too much thinking beforehand for journalists being sent 50 other new programs each new day -, but MI would open, from that given, preset project environment with some "tabs" open, and each "tab" would show different things MI is able to do, and the commentaries for each of these features and workflow possibilities could be read on the first few pages of these yet opened topics... which would show a lot of things...
These last days, I did even construct my new plumbing with MI, and its attributes / tags give me my various shopping lists, so many fittings of this and that, so many metres of this diametr and so many metres of that, and so on...
Yes, up to now, those columns are not yet summed up automatically, I have to use the calculation in my head or with my pocket calculator...
but then, the important thing in all this is, SHOW people what they can do with MI, and HOW to do it, on-the-spot, sur-le-tas, with REAL examples being laid down BEFORE THEIR EYES...
and MI will have a many reviews in European pc mags... and in some specialized mags and forums, indeed.
It's just a matter of eliminating the quirks and of replacing them with real intelligent details.
I am doing my share today and tomorrow... and I will do it do when MI will be "presentable" - it will be a PLEASURE for me to present it troughout some countries, I said that!
And, oh yes, I forgot, I've spoken of askSam here and my last posting there since, precisely, I urged users there to share us here, promising MI would be sheer delight (or something) near some months from now...
I am with MI for not exactly 3 months now, and I do a continuous writing down of all the "faults" MI has, and I am trying to consolidate what should be done, here and there. Most of these are "little things" that ask for 3 hours programming time here, 1 day there, but which, in fact, will bring MI to a higher level of acceptance... since you could then present MI to professionals with telling them, here's a problem without any quirks, it's not amateurish, it's a professional software for professionals' daily work, without ever letting them down.
In 3 months now, I discovered DOZENS of such quirks, but again, doing away with them would just "cost" several months all together, and as soon as a program is really professional, your marketing efforts will pay, whereas all your marketing efforts in the world will not pay if the products stays in a range of dozens of other products that have some advantages here, some disadvantages there, but are never ever really good -
And then, professionals (and journalists) vote with their feet!
Instead of going into lenghty discussions (here or elsewhere), they just do not buy, and stick with MS Word or other inferior things but that everybody around there has been using since they have been a kid.
Indeed, there are some developers out there who just won't learn; some days ago, I wrote a rather short contribution to that almost-defunct forum at askSam's, a truly tremendous program in old Dos days, and which is not recommendable any more... for reasons I state in my postings there.
Other programs, like UR, could be improved, but in fact, they ain't - years and years of goings on and on, and nothing really good is being done, concerning the GUI, and it's the GUI that makes people vote with their feet, not buying, just staying away.
Other people are endlessly discussing advantages and disadvantages of various programs, but not in a constructive way. In fact, they go from flower to flower, just like bees, and no developer can count on them for staying with him if he is willing to hear what they say... and then, they say this today, something other another day...
What I am trying here is what I've tried with askSam in the past (and to no avail there but then, askSam is askSam, MI is MI): To give VALUABLE hints to the developer how to optimize his program, in order to make it MARKETABLE to professionals, in that way that he can say, MI does these things, in this way, in a perfect workflow... and SHOWING them how to do.
There are a lot of pc mags throughout Europe; with the right presentation, a lot of them would do some articles about MI... and given MI is as good as I wan it to be, without too much "cost" - some months of working on it.
And again, I promise to help with that, if calls cost me several days, no problem whatsoever, and I am not interested in any "commission" or something - it's the ONLY way to have a real good program (without programming by yourself that is), and I would be delighted to pay that "price" for it.
So almost all of what I am proposing in these postings, can be done within little time; whereas other things cannot be done in a simple manner, and for these things, third-party extensions might be the (not-so-cheap) solution sometimes, and attachment indexing is one of those, I'm afraid.
But then, it's, as you say, obvious that it is "needed", greatly helpful indeed, and what you say, beginning to think you are the only one to...
well, that's exactly what is going on in the whole business. People buy or buy not - most of them buy not -, and those who have bought, then do with whatever they got, with some exceptions by some people (cf. hoisting, and see how many people are wanting it here, 2, 3, 5?).
And this way, developers do normally NOT into account the enormous amount of people just voting with their feet - yes, I say it for the third time here, but it cannot be said enough - they simply BUY NOT, or THEY LEAVE, for some "better" program in the sense of it giving them hoisting or whatever, and for this advantage those people give away 50 other things that they do NOT encounter THERE...
and WITHOUT doing a LIST of those 50 things that would they like to have there... and 2 years later, they go to a third, a fourth program...
and all those outliners out there share market between themselves that is perhaps 2 p.c. of the text processing market... or 1,8 p.c. of that... or 0,8 p.c. of that.
So I think that doing all those little things for ONE program will propulse that single program into quite another sphere... in which buying third-party additions will be easy, from then on...
I would like to add that for my "presentation thing" there, I have some very specific ideas. Contacting specialised journalists by phone and by letter and then by phone again; sending them MI Prof - the usb stick version - together with some open "projects" - with that usb stick version, that is possible!
They would open not a bare program in which they would not know what to do and what to try out first - too much thinking beforehand for journalists being sent 50 other new programs each new day -, but MI would open, from that given, preset project environment with some "tabs" open, and each "tab" would show different things MI is able to do, and the commentaries for each of these features and workflow possibilities could be read on the first few pages of these yet opened topics... which would show a lot of things...
These last days, I did even construct my new plumbing with MI, and its attributes / tags give me my various shopping lists, so many fittings of this and that, so many metres of this diametr and so many metres of that, and so on...
Yes, up to now, those columns are not yet summed up automatically, I have to use the calculation in my head or with my pocket calculator...
but then, the important thing in all this is, SHOW people what they can do with MI, and HOW to do it, on-the-spot, sur-le-tas, with REAL examples being laid down BEFORE THEIR EYES...
and MI will have a many reviews in European pc mags... and in some specialized mags and forums, indeed.
It's just a matter of eliminating the quirks and of replacing them with real intelligent details.
I am doing my share today and tomorrow... and I will do it do when MI will be "presentable" - it will be a PLEASURE for me to present it troughout some countries, I said that!
And, oh yes, I forgot, I've spoken of askSam here and my last posting there since, precisely, I urged users there to share us here, promising MI would be sheer delight (or something) near some months from now...